craigy
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Post by craigy on Feb 4, 2017 13:44:20 GMT
pre decimal, i notice that coins in spinks are graded uncirculated, now would you expect any marks on pre decimal coins graded unc ? rim knocks etc , what i mean is uncirculated (or the brilliant uncirculated  ) coins we get now are kept from contact with other coins so anything you find in your change will never be unc ?? where that wasn't the case 50 years ago and earlier, if you was to take a coin now straight from a bag from the mint would that be classed as uncirculated and the ones in the packs are now brilliant uncirculated, so on pre decimal coins graded unc before the BU grade you would expect to have some marks say visible with a jewelers loupe but not so visible to the naked eye ? hope that lot makes sense |
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Post by jncross1949 on Feb 4, 2017 16:55:52 GMT
Yes, I think you are about right, craigy.
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Post by jncross1949 on Feb 11, 2017 0:37:53 GMT
pre decimal, i notice that coins in spinks are graded uncirculated, now would you expect any marks on pre decimal coins graded unc ? rim knocks etc , what i mean is uncirculated (or the brilliant uncirculated ) coins we get now are kept from contact with other coins so anything you find in your change will never be unc ?? where that wasn't the case 50 years ago and earlier, if you was to take a coin now straight from a bag from the mint would that be classed as uncirculated and the ones in the packs are now brilliant uncirculated, so on pre decimal coins graded unc before the BU grade you would expect to have some marks say visible with a jewelers loupe but not so visible to the naked eye ? hope that lot makes sense The eternal problem with grading is that it is so subjective, one grader may interpret the wear and damage in a very different way from another, either honestly, or in attempting to deceive a potential buyer. I think that in the future, advanced computer software may help solve the problem; something that can examine the coin in great detail, analyse it and offer a definitive opinion. Then no-doubt we'd get expert makers of such software differing in their results ---- a huge minefield. There's absolutely no-doubt that dealers and auction houses can differ quite considerably in their grading, so it's up to the collector, to familiarise themselves with grading and make their own judgements I fear. Grading is an 'old chestnut' and is likely to remain so for a very long time. |
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Post by craigy on Feb 25, 2017 22:11:24 GMT
my problem is i'm so used to the modern proofs and a few earlier proofs from the 30's and 50's i can't bear to buy a coin in any other condition, its now got to the point where i've got a few of the cheaper proofs from george V and VI that i'm gonna need a second job to go any further lol they look stunning
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Post by jncross1949 on Feb 26, 2017 11:34:38 GMT
my problem is i'm so used to the modern proofs and a few earlier proofs from the 30's and 50's i can't bear to buy a coin in any other condition, its now got to the point where i've got a few of the cheaper proofs from george V and VI that i'm gonna need a second job to go any further lol they look stunning I'm afraid craigy that's the problem with many proof coins, second and third jobs are often necessary!! I know they tend to be most attractive and show off the coiners art to the very best, but they've not been in circulation and used by thousands of people in their commercial life etc. So for these reasons, price and lack of general use, that I've never been very interested in collecting them. So if they 'could speak' their story is unlikely to be as rich as from a coin that saw circulation. You sound as if you have quite a broad collection and interests, I would think about collecting 'nice' coins from an earlier period. Good Luck!! |
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Post by toledos5 on Feb 26, 2017 16:19:12 GMT
my problem is i'm so used to the modern proofs and a few earlier proofs from the 30's and 50's i can't bear to buy a coin in any other condition, its now got to the point where i've got a few of the cheaper proofs from george V and VI that i'm gonna need a second job to go any further lol they look stunning I found exactly the same thing collecting modern proof sets first, it does taint how you view older coins you are right. My advice is to always buy the best coin that you can afford at the time, the down side is that it means you buy fewer coins. Provided you have the patience, long term you end up with a finer collection. |
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Post by vicshilling on Feb 26, 2017 21:35:54 GMT
I am becoming less and less fussed about condition!
Of course its all about budget but given X amount a month to spend I would nearly always go for a rare coin in low condition rather than a common one in nice condition!
Definitely would chose something like an 1837 Half-Crown in Fair or Fine over an 1887 Jub in high grade.
Of course I would love an 1837 in Uncirculated but don't have megabucks to spend!
I appreciate the history of an older worn coin.
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craigy
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Post by craigy on Mar 2, 2017 9:16:15 GMT
i'm the other way round, would rather a common coin in top condition then a rare one in poor condition, might try putting money away to buy a rare coin or two lol
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craigy
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Post by craigy on Mar 2, 2017 9:17:18 GMT
my problem is i'm so used to the modern proofs and a few earlier proofs from the 30's and 50's i can't bear to buy a coin in any other condition, its now got to the point where i've got a few of the cheaper proofs from george V and VI that i'm gonna need a second job to go any further lol they look stunning I found exactly the same thing collecting modern proof sets first, it does taint how you view older coins you are right. My advice is to always buy the best coin that you can afford at the time, the down side is that it means you buy fewer coins. Provided you have the patience, long term you end up with a finer collection. my collection is all over the place lol, no specific collecting, well except for Henry III  |
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Post by bob50 on Mar 2, 2017 19:50:41 GMT
Hi I try to collect high grade coins about EF but I have brought some low grade shillings last year due to them being very rare hopefully they were a good buy and I won't loose anything on them but most coin in high grade are just too expensive even more so when rare. One coin I brought was a William lll shilling with a plume below the bust only 5 known. i feel I was lucky to get this it was not a coin I my list due it being so rare 😀
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craigy
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Post by craigy on Mar 5, 2017 20:55:48 GMT
that is a rare coin if only 5 known,
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Post by coins4me on Mar 6, 2017 21:43:19 GMT
grading is a nightmare! So tricky and a matter of opinion.
No 2 coins are the same even if they are in similar condition
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) coins we get now are kept from contact with other coins so anything you find in your change will never be unc ?? where that wasn't the case 50 years ago and earlier, if you was to take a coin now straight from a bag from the mint would that be classed as uncirculated and the ones in the packs are now brilliant uncirculated, so on pre decimal coins graded unc before the BU grade you would expect to have some marks say visible with a jewelers loupe but not so visible to the naked eye 
